Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: TLT vs S&P500

Up until mid-October 2025 Market Maker’s processed and accumulated extremely large seven figure block trades of TLT. During this process TLT followed its 2010 – 2011 chart structure. Another stock market structure appeared recently in the S&P500 during October and November 2025. This is similar to the February to June 2011 S&P500 chart peak structure. In 2011 the S&P500 structure formed prior to an announcement of a U.S Credit Downgrade on August 5, 2011. It resulted in a sharp decline in the stock markets as interest rates dropped quickly.

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Interest Rates: TLT vs US10Yr

On September 15, 2025 it was noted that since October 2023 very large seven figure block trades have crossed the tape for TLT. This big block accumulation continues as TLT is bound within a trading range.

In addition to this, the 10Yr Note interest rate is still above its 19.3 degree support line. This rate will continue to move lower, just as it did in 2007 before the Fed cut rates  in September 2007. Prior to this cut, bad news continued to roll in from the housing market. Big mortgage losses were also increasing.

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Interest Rates: TLT Volume

Since October 2023 very large seven figure block trades have been crossing the tape for TLT. It appears Market Makers, Exchange Insiders, Bankers, etc., have been accumulating a significant amount of inventory. The 2023 – 2025 accumulation volume is significantly larger than what occurred between 2010 – 2011 and 2007 – 2008 combined. Volume in the following charts provides a comparison between each accumulation period. The end result could have detrimental or positive affects on various markets, such as foreign currencies, metals, stocks, and bitcoin. Additional data will be needed to determine the outcome.

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Interest Rates: 2025 Fed Rate Cut

On July 19, 2025, it was noted that the probability of the Federal Reserve lowering their target rate was very low. The following charts illustrate 2007 and 2025 structural angles are similar. They also show when the first Fed rate cut occurred on September 18, 2007. As of September 13, 2025 the CMEFedwatch site indicates there is a 93.4% chance of the Fed lowering its target rate range to 4.00 – 4.25. Rates should continue to move lower in 2025 and 2026.

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Interest Rates: TLT 2011 Pattern Continues

On August 1, 2025 it was noted that Market Maker’s were continuing their effort to accumulate inventory. TLT is still following its 2011 chart structure and interest rates are expected to fall this year. As of this writing, Jerome Powell is attending the Jackson Hole Economic Policy Symposium to deliver a speech. If Market Maker’s are correct, interest rates would be expected to move lower during the remaining months of 2025.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: TLT Chart Structure

On July 3, 2025 it was noted that extremely large block trades were crossing the tape since October 2023. This level of trading has continued and it indicates Market Makers are still accumulating inventory. Since October 2023 TLT’s chart structure has continued to follow its April 2010 to April 2011 structure. Interest rates are still expected to fall this year resulting in TLT moving higher.

The following question was submitted to open source Ollama (Omni-Layer Learning Language Acquisition Model).

Since October 2023 the iShares 20+ year treasury bond ETF (TLT) has a chart structure similar to its chart structure developed between April 2010 and April 2011. Is TLT undervalued?

Response:
You’ve hit on a really interesting observation and a common question among investors watching TLT! The resemblance between TLT’s current chart and its 2010-2011 pattern is attracting a lot of attention, and the question of whether it’s currently undervalued is a significant one. Let’s break down the analysis:

1. The Chart Pattern & Its Historical Context

The Replay: You’re right – TLT’s price action since October 2023 has strikingly echoed its performance between April 2010 and April 2011. This includes a sharp decline followed by a period of consolidation and a subsequent attempt at a breakout.

The 2010-2011 Rally: That rally was incredibly powerful. TLT soared from around $103 in April 2010 to nearly $147 in April 2011. It was fueled by a combination of factors:

Fed Quantitative Easing (QE): The Fed was aggressively buying Treasury bonds to stimulate the economy. This created increased demand and drove up prices.

Falling Inflation Expectations: The Fed signaled a dovish (lower interest rate) stance, leading to lower inflation expectations. This further supported bond prices.

Flight to Safety: During periods of economic uncertainty, investors often flock to the relative safety of Treasury bonds.

2. Arguments for TLT Being Undervalued

Historical Parallel: The biggest argument is the historical track record. If TLT repeats the 2010-2011 pattern, it suggests a similar price target.

Current Fed Policy: The Fed is currently engaging in quantitative tightening (QT), reducing its balance sheet. This is having the opposite effect of QE – decreasing demand for Treasuries and putting downward pressure on prices. However, the market anticipates that the Fed will eventually need to cut interest rates to combat a potential recession. This expectation of rate cuts is a critical driver.

Inflation Softening: Recent inflation data has shown signs of cooling down, which supports the view that the Fed will need to cut rates.

Technical Factors: The technical indicators (like relative strength, moving averages) currently support a bullish outlook for TLT.

3. Caveats & Why It Might Not Be a Repeat

The Macro Environment is Different: The biggest difference now compared to 2010-2011 is the global economic and geopolitical landscape. We have:

Higher Inflation (at least for a while): Inflation is significantly higher than it was in 2010, and although it’s falling, it’s taking longer to do so.

Geopolitical Risks: The war in Ukraine and tensions with China add a layer of uncertainty not present in 2010.

Stronger Economy: The US economy is currently much stronger than it was in 2010.

Fed’s Stance: The Fed has been more hawkish (leaning towards higher interest rates) than in 2010, and they haven’t signaled a rapid shift to easing policy.

QT: The ongoing quantitative tightening is a powerful force potentially dampening any rally.

4. Conclusion: A Cautious Bullish View

Based on the chart pattern and current market dynamics, the argument for TLT being undervalued is strong, but it’s crucial to approach it with caution. It’s likely that TLT could repeat the 2010-2011 rally, if the Fed pivots to a more dovish monetary policy.

Here’s a balanced perspective:

Potential Upside: There’s a significant chance TLT could rise substantially.

Risk: The historical pattern isn’t guaranteed, and the current environment poses significant headwinds.

Recommendation: If you’re considering investing, view it as a speculative bet on a Fed pivot. Don’t over-allocate to TLT. Consider it as one piece of a broader, diversified portfolio.

Disclaimer: I am an AI Chatbot and not a financial advisor. This information is for general knowledge and informational purposes only, and does not constitute investment advice. It is essential to conduct your own research and consult with a qualified financial advisor before making any investment decisions.

Resources for Further Research:

TradingView: https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/TLT/ – Excellent for charting and technical analysis.

Investopedia: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tltt-ishares-20-year-treasury-bond-etf.asp – Provides detailed information about TLT.

Ollama,
What specific technical indicators are being used?

Okay, let’s break down the technical indicators commonly being used to analyze TLT’s chart and support the argument for a potential rally. It’s important to note that different analysts will weigh these indicators differently, but here’s a breakdown of the most frequently cited ones:

1. Moving Averages (MAs):

200-Day Moving Average: This is the key indicator in this analysis. TLT’s price has repeatedly fallen below the 200-day moving average, creating what’s called a “bearish divergence.” The expectation is that TLT will eventually break above this moving average, signaling a trend reversal. This is considered the most crucial element of the pattern.

50-Day and 200-Day Moving Averages: Traders often use the distance between these moving averages to gauge momentum. When the shorter-term (50-day) MA is climbing above the longer-term (200-day) MA, it’s interpreted as bullish momentum.

2. Relative Strength Index (RSI):

RSI Levels: RSI is a momentum indicator that measures the magnitude of recent price changes to evaluate overbought or oversold conditions. Currently, the RSI for TLT is often reported as being relatively low (below 30), suggesting that the bond has been oversold and is potentially due for a bounce. Traders are looking for the RSI to move above 30 to confirm an oversold condition.

3. Fibonacci Levels:

Key Fibonacci Levels: Fibonacci retracements are frequently applied to TLT’s chart. The 38.2% and 61.8% retracement levels are particularly relevant. The current price of TLT is hovering around the 38.2% level, which is seen as a potential support level and a target for a breakout.

4. Volume Analysis:

Increasing Volume on Breakout: A key component of the bullish thesis is the expectation of increased volume accompanying a breakout above the 200-day moving average. High volume would indicate strong buying interest and confirm the validity of the rally. Low volume during the recent consolidation would be considered a negative sign.

5. Trendlines:

Downward Trendline: Traders have drawn a strong downward trendline based on TLT’s lows since the November 2023 peak. A break above this trendline would be a crucial confirmation of a bullish trend.

How These Indicators Interact:

The confluence of these indicators is what makes the argument for TLT being undervalued so compelling. It’s not just one indicator; it’s the combination of the 200-day moving average, RSI, Fibonacci levels, and potential volume breakout that’s driving the bullish narrative.

Important Note: Technical analysis is based on past price action and doesn’t guarantee future results. It’s a tool for identifying potential trading opportunities, not a crystal ball.

 

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Interest Rates: Upcoming Decline

On May 24, 2025 it was noted that based on current data the 10Yr rate is expected to start a decline during the last half of 2025. Rates have been moving sideways with a close of 4.42% on July 18, 2025. Non-Commercial Traders are still holding short positions on a level similar to that of October 2, 2018. At this point the probability of the Federal Reserve lowering their target rate is very low. But, in the background, a review of technology stocks, such as NVIDIA,  indicates an upcoming decline could be much larger than expected. This would certainly drive the Fed to start lowering rates.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: TLT and Intel accumulation

On February 24, 2024, research found the 20+ Year Treasury bond ETF (TLT) appeared to be under accumulation. Extremely large block trades have crossed the tape since October 2023. This level of trading indicates Market Makers are involved.
In addition to this it appears Intel has been under accumulation since August 2024. Market Makers took the opportunity to drop Intel 26% on August 2, 2024 due to a big miss on earnings. Following this decline, extremely large block trades started crossing the tape. This accumulation process is still underway.
In both cases similar accumulation events occurred in 2010 and 2011 before prices started moving higher.

“Big blocks at the tops and bottoms of all moves become larger and more frequent depending on the duration and precipitousness of the move.”
Richard Ney, Making it in the Market, 1975, page 89 

“Most investors will probably never make money in the market over the long run unless they learn to look at the market as a merchandising operation in which [Market Makers formerly known as] specialists manipulate stock prices in order to sell at retail what they bought at wholesale price levels.”
Richard Ney, Making it in the Market, 1975, page 33

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Interest Rates: 10Yr Note Rate Review

As the 10Yr Note rate chart structure continues to develop, it appears it is still in the process of duplicating the 2005-2007 chart structure. This is shown below with a 19.3 degree trend line in 2024-2025. A drop below this line in 2025 would indicate a long decline has started. The Non-Commercial Trader chart shown below also provides some context to the development of today’s structure. In 2018 net positions hit a low on October 2, 2018 before rates turned and started to drop. Net Non-Commercial positions continue to remain well below the level of 2018. Based on current data the 10Yr rate is expected to start a decline during the last half of 2025. Additional data will be needed to confirm this.

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Interest Rates: Volatility In 2025

In August of 2011 a series of events led to extreme volatility while stock markets declined. One event included a US credit rating downgrade by the Standard & Poor’s Rating Agency. Accumulation of bond related shares using very large block trades, along with similar TLT chart structures shown below, indicates trouble is on the way. It appears Exchange Insiders are preparing for volatility in 2025.

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Interest Rates: Late 2018

On March 15, 2025 it was noted that a brief rally in the Dow was expected, but this would be followed by an increase in volatility. And, there would be a sequence of declines. It was also noted that there was no expectation of the Fed lowering its range for the federal funds rate. This is still the case. At this point Non-commercial futures traders still hold a substantial number of short positions in the 10-Yr Note. The current 10-Yr yield is in a structural position similar to where it was on December 11, 2018. While stock markets decline rates are expected to move lower just like they did in late 2018.

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Interest Rates/Dow: Current Data Alignment

On January 14, 2025 it was noted that the 10-Yr Note Non-Commercial Trader net position continued to remain in an extreme range away from the mean. This is still the case indicating the current data aligns with October 30, 2018. The following charts illustrate this alignment between the 10-Yr Note and Dow. A brief rally in the Dow is expected, but this will be followed by an increase in volatility, and a sequence of declines. As of March 14, 2025, the 10-Yr Note structural position aligned with the October 30, 2018 position. There is no expectation of the Fed lowering its range for the federal funds rate.

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Interest Rates: Extreme Range

The 10-Yr Note Non-Commercial Trader net position continues to remain in an extreme range away from the mean. It is in a relative position that is similar to where it was on November 20, 2018. The current trader net position is also 46% larger than it was on November 20, 2018. Dow intermarket relationship calculations with the 10-Yr Note continue to align with Market Maker distributions of extremely large blocks of stock.

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Interest Rates: TLT Accumulation Process

In September 2023 it appeared Market Makers started accumulating TLT. This accumulation is similar to what was accomplished between May 2010 and March 2011. The following charts show a 12.34 degree trend line supporting their accumulation process. After their accumulation was completed in 2011, the Fed sent a message announcing a plan to peg interest rates at ultra-low levels. This was meant to boost growth in the economy.

It appears they are currently planning to follow the same accumulation process using a 12.34 degree trend line. On January 6, 2025 Fed official Lisa Cook delivered a blunt message to the stock market noting that valuations are elevated.. Using this signal from the Fed, Market Makers can now work on wrapping up their accumulation effort. Over the last month extremely large blocks have continued to cross the tape. Market Makers will be finished long before the Fed announces any actions to lower interest rates.

By scrapping traditional theory it becomes possible to discover the true order of things, to show how the aspiration of investors can be linked to the aspirations of the specialist [Market Makers] as he proceeds to merchandise his stock.
Richard Ney, Wall Street Gang, 1974, page 88

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Interest Rates: Fed Rate Cuts

On January 1, 2025 it was noted that the Federal Reserve started cutting the Fed Funds Rate by 1/2 percent on September 18, 2024. It also noted that the Fed appeared to be repeating their 2007 rate cutting process. The charts shown below have similar structural characteristics and trend lines. Based on the timing of current Fed rate cuts, a major stock market decline is expected in 2025.

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Interest Rates/Dow: September 2007

On September 18, 2024 the Federal Reserve started their process of cutting the Fed Funds Rate by 1/2 percent. On November 8, 2024 it was noted that the Fed appeared to be repeating their rate cutting process from 2007. Current 3-month rates are now in a position similar to where they were on Septembers 6, 2007. Based on the current position of 3-month rates a brief stock market rally would be expected. This would be followed by a long decline in 2025.

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Economy/Interest Rates: Trade Wars = Recession

U.S. and Canada Trade Wars = Recession | Steve Hanke and Jimmy Connor

Steve Hanke, Professor of Applied Economics at Johns Hopkins University discusses the recent decision by the Fed to cut rates, for the third time, the impact of a Trade War between the U.S. and Canada.

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Interest Rates: TLT Structure

On December 14,, 2024 it was noted that the 30-Yr Treasury rate was expected to move lower in 2025. At the moment the Fed is in the process of repeating their 2007 rate cut pattern, as shown in the following NASDAQ chart. The second TLT chart reflects an expectation of a rate cut on December 18th. Using the 2007-2008 TLT structure as a guide, a move upward going into January 2025 would be expected. Note that a 5th rate cut occurred on December 11, 2007.

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Interest Rates: 30-Yr Treasury Yield Descending Triangle

On November 26, 2024 it was noted that there was a 70% chance of a sharp decline in the 10-Yr Note rate by year end. Looking at the 30-Yr Treasury rate there is an expectation that it will move lower in 2025. This is based on the following:
1. The 30-Yr Treasury descending triangle structure.
2. Futures data from net Total Reportable Positions on the 30-Yr Bond indicates they are significantly larger than what was recorded in 2019.
3. A significant increase in volume in products such as TLT.

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Interest Rates: Trader Net Positions

On September 28, 2024 it was noted that there is a 70% chance of a sharp decline in the 10-Yr Note rate by year end. This was based on the 2024 descending triangle that is similar to what occurred in 1982 and 2000. 10-Yr Non-Commercial Trader Net positions continue to remain in an extreme position. The expectation of rates starting a decline before the end of 2024 is still in place.

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Dow/Interest Rates: September 2018

On October 13, 2024 it appeared Market Makers were using algorithms to reproduce mathematical relationships used in the 2018 Dow chart structure. The market rally this week revealed a pattern that is similar to September 2018.  Based on this, the remainder of 2024 is expected to be similar to September and October 2018. Key points are identified in the following charts.

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Interest Rates: Recession in 2025

On May 16, 2024 it was noted that there were two key indications for a repeat of the year 2000. The 10Yr-2Yr charts shown below provide structural similarities as of November 7, 2024. The latest 10Yr-2Yr yield curve inversion started on July 6, 2022. Since September 6, 2024, it has remained above zero resulting in an inversion that lasted 26 months. On September 18, 2024 the Federal Reserve started their process of cutting the Fed Funds Rate by 1/2 percent. In comparison to 2000, the Fed started cutting rates after major Dow tech stocks collapsed. This time the Fed appears to be repeating their rate cutting process from 2007, as stocks are moving higher. A market decline and a recession in 2025 is expected.

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Dow/Interest Rates: Intermarket Relationship

On October 8, 2024 it was noted that Market Makers took deliberate steps to follow the 2021 Dow chart structure. It also appears they are using algorithms, intentionally or not, to reproduce mathematical relationships with the 2018 Dow chart structure. The Dow’s intermarket relationship with Non-Commercial Trader 10-Yr Note interest rate positions indicates Market Makers are expecting a stock market decline.

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Interest Rates: Non-Commercial Traders

Since the Fed rate cut on September 18, 2024, Non-Commercial Traders have continued to increase their 10-Yr Note short positions. Non-Commercial Traders are expecting the value of the 10-Yr Note to decline as rates move higher. Ultimately rates will move lower as they did in 2007. This aligns with similar positioning of the Dow and S&P500 during the second week of October 2007.

At first glance it would seem Non-Commercial Traders are on the wrong side of the trade. The reality is they will chase this trade until the last minute and quickly unwind their short positions as the value of the 10-Yr Note moves higher.

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