Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: TLT Chart Structure

On July 3, 2025 it was noted that extremely large block trades were crossing the tape since October 2023. This level of trading has continued and it indicates Market Makers are still accumulating inventory. Since October 2023 TLT’s chart structure has continued to follow its April 2010 to April 2011 structure. Interest rates are still expected to fall this year resulting in TLT moving higher.

The following question was submitted to open source Ollama (Omni-Layer Learning Language Acquisition Model).

Since October 2023 the iShares 20+ year treasury bond ETF (TLT) has a chart structure similar to its chart structure developed between April 2010 and April 2011. Is TLT undervalued?

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You’ve hit on a really interesting observation and a common question among investors watching TLT! The resemblance between TLT’s current chart and its 2010-2011 pattern is attracting a lot of attention, and the question of whether it’s currently undervalued is a significant one. Let’s break down the analysis:

1. The Chart Pattern & Its Historical Context

The Replay: You’re right – TLT’s price action since October 2023 has strikingly echoed its performance between April 2010 and April 2011. This includes a sharp decline followed by a period of consolidation and a subsequent attempt at a breakout.

The 2010-2011 Rally: That rally was incredibly powerful. TLT soared from around $103 in April 2010 to nearly $147 in April 2011. It was fueled by a combination of factors:

Fed Quantitative Easing (QE): The Fed was aggressively buying Treasury bonds to stimulate the economy. This created increased demand and drove up prices.

Falling Inflation Expectations: The Fed signaled a dovish (lower interest rate) stance, leading to lower inflation expectations. This further supported bond prices.

Flight to Safety: During periods of economic uncertainty, investors often flock to the relative safety of Treasury bonds.

2. Arguments for TLT Being Undervalued

Historical Parallel: The biggest argument is the historical track record. If TLT repeats the 2010-2011 pattern, it suggests a similar price target.

Current Fed Policy: The Fed is currently engaging in quantitative tightening (QT), reducing its balance sheet. This is having the opposite effect of QE – decreasing demand for Treasuries and putting downward pressure on prices. However, the market anticipates that the Fed will eventually need to cut interest rates to combat a potential recession. This expectation of rate cuts is a critical driver.

Inflation Softening: Recent inflation data has shown signs of cooling down, which supports the view that the Fed will need to cut rates.

Technical Factors: The technical indicators (like relative strength, moving averages) currently support a bullish outlook for TLT.

3. Caveats & Why It Might Not Be a Repeat

The Macro Environment is Different: The biggest difference now compared to 2010-2011 is the global economic and geopolitical landscape. We have:

Higher Inflation (at least for a while): Inflation is significantly higher than it was in 2010, and although it’s falling, it’s taking longer to do so.

Geopolitical Risks: The war in Ukraine and tensions with China add a layer of uncertainty not present in 2010.

Stronger Economy: The US economy is currently much stronger than it was in 2010.

Fed’s Stance: The Fed has been more hawkish (leaning towards higher interest rates) than in 2010, and they haven’t signaled a rapid shift to easing policy.

QT: The ongoing quantitative tightening is a powerful force potentially dampening any rally.

4. Conclusion: A Cautious Bullish View

Based on the chart pattern and current market dynamics, the argument for TLT being undervalued is strong, but it’s crucial to approach it with caution. It’s likely that TLT could repeat the 2010-2011 rally, if the Fed pivots to a more dovish monetary policy.

Here’s a balanced perspective:

Potential Upside: There’s a significant chance TLT could rise substantially.

Risk: The historical pattern isn’t guaranteed, and the current environment poses significant headwinds.

Recommendation: If you’re considering investing, view it as a speculative bet on a Fed pivot. Don’t over-allocate to TLT. Consider it as one piece of a broader, diversified portfolio.

Disclaimer: I am an AI Chatbot and not a financial advisor. This information is for general knowledge and informational purposes only, and does not constitute investment advice. It is essential to conduct your own research and consult with a qualified financial advisor before making any investment decisions.

Resources for Further Research:

TradingView: https://www.tradingview.com/symbols/TLT/ – Excellent for charting and technical analysis.

Investopedia: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tltt-ishares-20-year-treasury-bond-etf.asp – Provides detailed information about TLT.

Ollama,
What specific technical indicators are being used?

Okay, let’s break down the technical indicators commonly being used to analyze TLT’s chart and support the argument for a potential rally. It’s important to note that different analysts will weigh these indicators differently, but here’s a breakdown of the most frequently cited ones:

1. Moving Averages (MAs):

200-Day Moving Average: This is the key indicator in this analysis. TLT’s price has repeatedly fallen below the 200-day moving average, creating what’s called a “bearish divergence.” The expectation is that TLT will eventually break above this moving average, signaling a trend reversal. This is considered the most crucial element of the pattern.

50-Day and 200-Day Moving Averages: Traders often use the distance between these moving averages to gauge momentum. When the shorter-term (50-day) MA is climbing above the longer-term (200-day) MA, it’s interpreted as bullish momentum.

2. Relative Strength Index (RSI):

RSI Levels: RSI is a momentum indicator that measures the magnitude of recent price changes to evaluate overbought or oversold conditions. Currently, the RSI for TLT is often reported as being relatively low (below 30), suggesting that the bond has been oversold and is potentially due for a bounce. Traders are looking for the RSI to move above 30 to confirm an oversold condition.

3. Fibonacci Levels:

Key Fibonacci Levels: Fibonacci retracements are frequently applied to TLT’s chart. The 38.2% and 61.8% retracement levels are particularly relevant. The current price of TLT is hovering around the 38.2% level, which is seen as a potential support level and a target for a breakout.

4. Volume Analysis:

Increasing Volume on Breakout: A key component of the bullish thesis is the expectation of increased volume accompanying a breakout above the 200-day moving average. High volume would indicate strong buying interest and confirm the validity of the rally. Low volume during the recent consolidation would be considered a negative sign.

5. Trendlines:

Downward Trendline: Traders have drawn a strong downward trendline based on TLT’s lows since the November 2023 peak. A break above this trendline would be a crucial confirmation of a bullish trend.

How These Indicators Interact:

The confluence of these indicators is what makes the argument for TLT being undervalued so compelling. It’s not just one indicator; it’s the combination of the 200-day moving average, RSI, Fibonacci levels, and potential volume breakout that’s driving the bullish narrative.

Important Note: Technical analysis is based on past price action and doesn’t guarantee future results. It’s a tool for identifying potential trading opportunities, not a crystal ball.

 

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: NAAIM Index – July 30 2025

The NAAIM Exposure Index dropped to 76.85 while Investment Managers adjusted positions to a range close to August 2, 2023. There are indications that the S&P500 is in the process of moving out of a rising wedge, as discussed on July 30, 2025. It is expected to continue moving lower. Big block selling in tech stocks, tariff uncertainty and a Fed Funds target rate of 4.5% could lead to a short term market decline.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: S&P500 Rising Wedge

Over the last four months, instruments such as the SPY and UPRO have varied slightly from the S&P500 structure on an arithmetic scale. In this case UPRO had four points of contact on the way up from its low before moving through the lower trend line. The SPY had three. At this point in time the S&P500 has dropped out of its rising wedge and is expected to continue moving lower.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: NAAIM Index – July 23 2025

The NAAIM Exposure Index dropped to 81.07 as Investment Managers increased their short positions. This is similar to their response on August 2, 2023 indicating they were preparing for a decline. It appears the tariff deadline on August 1, 2025 could lead to a short term market decline during the last half of 2025.

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Gold/Silver: 2025 Q1 Precious Metal Contracts

On June 23, 2025, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency released its Quarterly Report on Bank Trading Activity and Derivatives Activities. Figure 17 on PDF page 43 shows notional amounts of precious metals contracts by maturity held by Insured U.S. Commercial Banks and Savings Associations. These institutions continue to increase their holdings of precious metals contracts.

Note: Beginning January 1, 2022, the largest banks are required to calculate their derivative exposure amount for regulatory capital purposes using the Standardized Approach for Counterparty Credit Risk (SA-CCR). Under SA-CCR gold derivatives are considered precious metals derivative contracts rather than an exchange rate derivative contract, resulting in an increase in reported precious metals derivative contracts compared with prior quarters. Refer to the call report instructions and OCC Bulletin 2020-7, “Standardized Approach for Counterparty Credit Risk: Final Rule,” for additional information on the SA-CCR exposure calculation.

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Interest Rates: Upcoming Decline

On May 24, 2025 it was noted that based on current data the 10Yr rate is expected to start a decline during the last half of 2025. Rates have been moving sideways with a close of 4.42% on July 18, 2025. Non-Commercial Traders are still holding short positions on a level similar to that of October 2, 2018. At this point the probability of the Federal Reserve lowering their target rate is very low. But, in the background, a review of technology stocks, such as NVIDIA,  indicates an upcoming decline could be much larger than expected. This would certainly drive the Fed to start lowering rates.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: NVIDIA 5 Point Chart

On July 17, 2025 it was noted that a decline similar to what occurred between August and October 2023 is expected. This was based on NAAIM Exposure Index readings and a rising wedge formation in the S&P500.

A significant number of very large 7-figure NVIDIA block trades crossed the tape between March 2025 and May 2025. This would be Market Makers accumulating stock. As NVIDIA moved higher in June and July, a steady pace of large blocks crossed the tape. This would be Market Makers distributing stock to pension funds, hedge funds, etc.

NVIDIA has also been in the process of completing a 5 point chart that is similar to 2001 and 2007. One feature the following charts have in common is a stock split prior to, or during, the final rise to point 5. When NVIDIA crossed its lower trend line going to point 5 a sharp decline occurred in 2002 and 2008.

There is a high probability that the items noted above indicate an upcoming decline could be much larger than expected.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: NAAIM Index – July 16 2025

On July 16, 2025 the NAAIM Exposure Index dropped to 83.69. Investment Managers had a relatively small change in their positions. Their positioning activities are also similar to what occurred in mid-2023. Since April 2025 a rising wedge has developed in the S&P500 and CNN Fear & Greed readings are rising. A decline similar to what occurred between August and October 2023 is expected.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: Apple 2025 vs 2008

Up until July 2025 Market Makers have been following Apple’s January 2006 to March 2008 chart structure. In addition to this an Engrbytrade™ eight point trading model structure has formed. It is similar to what occurred between May and August of 2008 and was discussed on May 8, 2025.

Technical indicators and big block activity still point to a decline. This includes readings from the NAAIM Index, CNN Fear and Greed Index and CNN Put to Call Options indicator.

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US Dollar: Trading Patterns

On June 14, 2025 it was noted that the US Dollar was expected to move lower. Non-Commercial Traders continue to shift their positions as the Dollar moves lower. Their trading patterns are also expected to be similar to 2007 with the Dollar moving significantly lower.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: TLT and Intel accumulation

On February 24, 2024, research found the 20+ Year Treasury bond ETF (TLT) appeared to be under accumulation. Extremely large block trades have crossed the tape since October 2023. This level of trading indicates Market Makers are involved.
In addition to this it appears Intel has been under accumulation since August 2024. Market Makers took the opportunity to drop Intel 26% on August 2, 2024 due to a big miss on earnings. Following this decline, extremely large block trades started crossing the tape. This accumulation process is still underway.
In both cases similar accumulation events occurred in 2010 and 2011 before prices started moving higher.

“Big blocks at the tops and bottoms of all moves become larger and more frequent depending on the duration and precipitousness of the move.”
Richard Ney, Making it in the Market, 1975, page 89 

“Most investors will probably never make money in the market over the long run unless they learn to look at the market as a merchandising operation in which [Market Makers formerly known as] specialists manipulate stock prices in order to sell at retail what they bought at wholesale price levels.”
Richard Ney, Making it in the Market, 1975, page 33

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Gold/Silver: 1974 to 1979

On December 24, 2023 it was noted that during a five year period between 1974 and 1979 various bills with an accumulated cost of $129 billion were approved to stimulate the economy. What followed was a parabolic rise in the price of gold and silver. Between 2020 and 2022 $7.85 trillion in economic stimulus packages were approved. The latest Senate version of their “One Big Beautiful Bill Act” has an estimated cost of $4.2 trillion. Approval of this and economic stimulus bills between 2020 and 2022 would result in an accumulated cost of $12.05 trillion. Essentially, over a five year period this cost will be exponentially larger than what was passed between 1974 and 1979. Using 1974 to 1979 as a model the following charts provide a representation of where gold currently stands compared to where it would be expected to peak.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: NAAIM Index – June 25 2025

On June 25, 2025 the NAAIM Exposure Index dropped to 81.41. This pattern appears to be a repeat performance of June 10, 2020. Movements of the index from May 7, 2025 to June 25, 2025 are similar to what occurred between April 29, 2020 and June 10, 2020. This indicates investment managers are using similar risk management techniques that were applied in 2020. If this is a repeat of 2020, there may be some near term volatility. Based on investment manager positions markets are expected to move higher going into the end of August 2025.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: NAAIM Index – June 18 2025

The NAAIM Exposure Index reading has moved up to 94.09. This is similar to what occurred on April 17, 2019. On that date the index hit a reading of 93.37 after recovering from a sharp market decline in December 2018. This reading was followed by a 6.12% decline in the S&P500 during May 2019.

In addition to the current NAAIM reading it was noted on June 19, 2025 that the CNN Fear & Greed reading was in a position similar to where it was on December 15, 2022. The Fear & Greed reading in December 2022 was followed by a 5.87% decline in the S&P500.

Based on both readings, a brief decline of approximately 6% in the S&P500 would be expected before moving higher. Volatility should continue to increase over the next 2 to 3 months before breaking out and moving higher.

Note that NAAIM Index readings on April 17, 2019 and June 18, 2025 were recorded during options expiration week.

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US Dollar: Canadian Dollar, Swiss Franc and Gold Update

On April 20, 2025 it was noted that the US Dollar was expected to move lower. Non-commercial traders would move out of their Dollar positions and move into Gold as it moves higher. Current intermarket relationships between the Dollar, Canadian Dollar, Swiss Franc and Gold continue to show the Dollar moving lower. The Canadian Dollar, Swiss Franc, and Gold should continue to move higher.

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Silver: Rise in 2025

On December 24, 2023 it was noted that daily Engrbytrade™ Silver/U.S Dollar derivative calculations were moving quickly in a direction to complete a move out of its long term ascending triangle structure. The first chart shows silver moving out of this ascending triangle. The second chart indicates a rise in 2025 will be similar to 2010 – 2011. Trillions of Congressional approved Dollars between 2020 and 2022 have finally made their way through the system. This will drive silver prices much higher.

The following chart percentages are structural measurements not Fibonacci ratios.

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Dow/S&P500: NAAIM Index – June 4 2025

On May 15, 2025 it was noted that markets were still expected to move higher. As markets moved higher investment managers would adjust their exposure, as needed. On June 4, 2025, investment managers adjusted their exposure in a way that is similar to what occurred on June 10, 2020. This aligns with the S&P500 index, which has a 78.6% retracement formation that is similar to June 2020. The possibility of an increase in volatility is expected over the short term before moving higher.

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S&P500/NASDAQ: INTC Accumulation

In November 2024 Intel was dropped from the Dow 30 and replaced with NVDA after its decline on very light volume between March 2021 and July 2024. There is a good reason for this. It took Intel out of the day to day spotlight of the news cycle. It also allows Market Makers to accumulate what they need to eventually move prices higher. Over the last several months INTC daily volume has continued to spike with a steady flow of extremely large blocks crossing the tape. A pattern similar to this occurred after 2009. It is unknown at this time what the incentive is for initiating this type of accumulation process, but it could continue over the next few years.

It is only when they (Specialists currently known as Market Makers) are able to decline on light volume that they can afford to carry the decline to lower prices.”
Richard Ney, Making it in the Market, 1975, page 89

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Silver: Tracking 2007

Silver is currently on track with 2007 based on Non-Commercial Trader weekly net positions vs. the U.S. Dollar. Silver is also in a position similar to where it was in late April 2007. A brief decline is expected between now and October 2025. After this decline, interest rates will affect silver. If rates start to fall, as they did in October 2007, silver should respond by moving higher and peak in the first quarter of 2026.

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Bitcoin/Euro: Bitcoin vs. 1979 Euro Structure

Bitcoin continues to develop a structure that is similar to the 1971 – 1985 Euro structure. Key turning points have been identified on the charts shown below.
As of May 23, 2025 Bitcoin was in a structural position similar to where the Euro was in November 1979.

Reference: Engrbytrade™ Bitcoin Model page

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Interest Rates: 10Yr Note Rate Review

As the 10Yr Note rate chart structure continues to develop, it appears it is still in the process of duplicating the 2005-2007 chart structure. This is shown below with a 19.3 degree trend line in 2024-2025. A drop below this line in 2025 would indicate a long decline has started. The Non-Commercial Trader chart shown below also provides some context to the development of today’s structure. In 2018 net positions hit a low on October 2, 2018 before rates turned and started to drop. Net Non-Commercial positions continue to remain well below the level of 2018. Based on current data the 10Yr rate is expected to start a decline during the last half of 2025. Additional data will be needed to confirm this.

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Dow/S&P500/NASDAQ: Big Block Trading

The following should provide some perspective on big block trading during the decline in 2025. A 27 day period was selected during the decline in March – April 2025 and September – October 2023. Apple block trades with over 5 million shares were used as a sample base. Results showed the total number of Apple shares traded in March – April 2025 was 49% larger than September – October 2023. Since Market Makers operate a merchandising system, they will have an incentive to distribute this, and other shares accumulated, at much higher prices in 2025.

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Dow/S&P500: NAAIM Index – May 14 2025

On May 1, 2025 it was noted that a move higher was expected for the Dow and S&P500 in 2025. The upcoming 2025 pattern should be similar to 2019.  NAAIM Exposure Index charts shown below indicate investment managers have recently reacted in a manner similar to 2019. This move by itself is not an indication that markets will move higher or lower. But, when asset exposure moves  to extremes it is an indication that markets are oversold or overbought.

Markets are still expected to move higher. Confirmation is needed from Indicators, such as the weekly NYSE Hindenburg Omen index. As markets move higher, investment managers will adjust their exposure.

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Dow: Silent Collapse List

On January 15, 2025 a list of 6 companies were identified for the Engrbytrade™ Silent Collapse List. Since that time the list has grown to 12 companies. These are companies that have not materially participated in the stock market rally over the last few years. Or, like Apple, they are in the process of breaking down. A review of 2007 was conducted for a comparison to 2025. Between 2002 and 2007 there were 10 companies that did not participate or were breaking down. Some companies have since been removed from the Dow, such as Alcoa and Citigroup. The Dow is still expected to move higher, as noted on May 9, 2025 based on sentiment and other technical indicators. But, this lack of participation with stocks breaking down is a risk that needs to be monitored closely.

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